It is not the idea of high jumps in gameplay that bothers me. Tribes and other FPS' have had jumpy combat before and they did fine. Crazy low gravity chaos can be exhilarating and fun! Want to know how I know? Because games like Tribes, CoD: Advanced Warfare, and Borderlands have those mechanics (and typically better mechanics, I might add). Is that the new vision for Dust 514? Mimic others game's gimmicks?

I like it when Dust 514 tries to take itself seriously. Let Borderlands and Team Fortress be the tongue-in-cheek #LOLNOFALLDAMAGE #ROCKETJUMPFTW games, please. Keep Dust gritty, heavy, grounded, and stern.

Sadly, I get the feeling that is no longer the case. As much as CCP Rattati has improved balance his fundamental vision for Dust is a great deal different than mine. It is a vision without New Eden's influences, setting, and tone. Unfortunately, the New Eden setting and tone are what I find appealing in Dust 514. Slowly, I feel this game becoming less and less set in New Eden. The warbarge being handed to us without any effort or cost involved was the first hint. As nice as it is to be able to clean out my assets, the NPC market was the second indicator. Now with the lazily done myofib jumping.

Somehow I think this new vision for Dust 514 is tied to making it easier to market and those generate aurum sales... but that's a topic for another thread.

It is because of this that I think I will take a break from Dust 514. I will not be biomassing, just setting Dust aside and opting not to fund it for the time being. I will probably continue to lurk the forums hoping to see CCP Rattati post about the mylolfly stims being toned down. In the mean time, feel free to add me on Steam if you want to keep in touch: http://steamcommunity.com/id/RipleyRiley/

Milk salesman, shitposter, scout shooter,
Ripley Riley

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An active piece of equipment would have made more sense within the context of the universe. I imagine a piece of man-portable propulsion equipment similar to what is used on ships in Eve. Some players with more background in New Eden lore can help me on this, but aren't Gallente ships powered with plasma thrusters? The Gallente only have one piece of equipment right now so give them this one.

Activate the module and for X seconds (determined by tier) you gain crazy high jumps and falling damage is severly reduced. Holding down the X button in flight could allow you to briefly hover.

"But Ripley they have such a small team in Shanghai! The myofib module is easy to implement and this active module is haaaaaard! " Reminds me of a quote...

If CCP Shanghai can't implement something correctly, like verticality, then they should not roll it out.

Logged in to play a few games. Haven't been on since 1.10. The jumping stuff is really gimmicky. Honestly they should have just increased jump height across the board by like 10-20% instead of making a module out of it.

Infantry only Ambush was pretty cool. Sad that it took almost 2 years to finally implement because all my Spambush buddies don't play anymore.

My biggest gripe, and it seems like it's only gotten worse from the last time I played, is the framerate is still absolutely awful. I thinfew rk it's pretty safe to assume that it will never get better at this point. Sad really, I really would like to start streaming again, but I just can't play more than 1-2 games without getting frustrated at how poorly the game runs.

I am a hardcore FPS player and a DUST 514 player, and I do want to bridge the gap between the two.

That said, I don't believe that being in New Eden means being shackled by EVE Online spaceship rules, DUST should be allowed some creative freedom to be what it needs to be.

Player trading IS coming to DUST 514 (barring disaster), the only FPS in the world to do so (if I am not mistaken) which stems directly from our New Eden philosophy, at no AUR sales advantage and a lot of strain on our small team. Same with Planetary Conquest.

I wholeheartedly believe that DUST is an unmatched experience and is getting better all the time. I double-dare you to read Hotfixes Alpha through Echo again if you don't agree.

Based on what I found during testing (there's a thread), x3 Complex Myrofibrils allows you to jump about 20 feet on the dot if we assume that all mercs are about 5 feet tall.

I agree we don't want to completely follow EVE Spaceship Rules, Kincats and each suits' regen does this well.

Also i'm personally happy with how you did Myos.

However, should an equipment come out later on to make "jump packs" a thing, Myos' jump height would need to be dialed back a bit.

Also any plans on making Myos a bit less "Proto or bust"? Maybe we could do 15-20-25% and improve each suits' base melee to be at least somewhat reliable on its' own?

E.G. Minmatar Assault currently does 120(?), maybe make it 180 to 220, and bring the Minmatar Commando's from 240 up to 340, such that we can still have our 600 melee fits, but make it less utterly reliant on Prototype modules.

The things you listed are all some kind of nerf or balancing effort. Bunny hopping blue gatorade is neither of those things; it is silliness for silly sake.

If Eve had implemented a new weapon system that fired rockets filled with space ferrets that attack the enemy vessel on impact we would be comparing apples to apples.

First off, please read my trello card: https://trello.com/c/ndrbokFX

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"Equipment that actively increases your jump height and/or distance. The base unit increases jump height and distance. A variant could exist that increases height much more than distance.

The heavier the dropsuit the less of a benefit you receive from this module. Like most pieces of equipment, it would have a cooldown. Another variant could offer reduced jump heights/distances but a faster cooldown."

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I wanted a piece of equipment, not a passive module.

Second, I am not quitting Dust. I am taking a break for a while. If Rattati tones down the myofibs I will probably return sooner rather than later. I will absolutely sign in for the Warlords 1.1 launch. Chances of me purchasing aurum are nil until I see Dust's direction change back to a heading somewhere in the same ******* hemisphere as New Eden.

Now now now; who said we cannot learn from the current shenanigans so that when we do bring in the jump pack we have an idea how it should work?

After all we don't have a test server.

Which is why I am not advocating for a nerf until the packs are in. The meta change of the game play positives are just too great to ignore the gripe about being vertically challenged and points of access only available to dropships have immensely dropped severely. No place save the towers are safe from ambush anymore; many a roof campers are sadden they have to watch their backs now. This aspect must be preserved regardless; this is a change for the positive.

The whole jumping impractically while in combat can go jump packs on cooldowns will see to that.

Lets learn obverse and design better form our mistakes. Also I would like to see a general buff to all suits default jump height. 2 inch ledges are killing me smalls.

No, people are mad because you are demanding that CCP change something that works perfectly fine.

I lost a bet with a corpmate so I had to play two matches

Thanks for the kind words. They are few and far between in this thread. How long I am gone will depend on how quickly Rattati balances the myofib changes and Warlords 1.1's release date. I will definitely be back to check out updates, I can promise you that.

If Rattati steers us back into the dark waters of New Eden I will be back to my 2 - 4 matches per night schedule

Ah, perfect. This is what I am talking about right here.

Unfortunately, I do believe this CCP employee is no longer with us. Wish he could stop by CCP Shanghai and let CCP Rattati know what's up.

Greiv, I am not going to repeat myself again so please pay very close attention: this is not what I asked for.

I asked for an active module, not passive. Rattati saw my trello card idea, decided that creating visual assets for a jump pack was hard, and instead created this always-on Super Mario module because fun. Nevermind how weird and off-putting it is to see stiff limbed clones flying through the air like store manikins being shot out of a cannon.

My response was to post a single thread in GD. Your definition of "stomping your feet" and "throwing yourself to the ground and holding your breath until you get what you want" is vastly different from mine. I'm not spamming the forums with threads, preaching 'the end is nigh', or being a vulgar troll. I explained why I am taking a break from Dust 514. Nothing more, nothing less. But if you paint me as being immature then it makes it easier to dismiss my point of view so I can see why you are taking this angle

And 24 Likes on my OP indicates the forum isn't 100% in love with the myofib change. Before you say anything, yes I realize that the forums comprise only a fraction of the community, but still... Some people see New Eden being bled from Dust 514 and they are not a fan.

It was my understanding that boosters effect the mental capabilities of a capsuleer. I don't think our clone's neurologic function effect our jump distance, but I could be wrong

I wish CCP Rattati, CCP Rouge and the rest of the DUST team played EVE a bit on the side (a few hours a week). I'd love it if Rattati was in a corp like Red vs. Blue and got to experience a lot of fast-paced, low-stakes frigate brawls. I think it could add a lot of value by bringing in the right parts of EVE to DUST. I'd really like vehicle gameplay to mirror frigate fights in EVE, with tackling, capacitors, Ewar, out maneuvering the enemy, etc.

I have mixed feelings on the blue pills. Clearly there is something broken with stacking penalties that needs to be resolved and I would like to see how they work once they are functioning as intended. The idea of adding verticality to combat is fantastic and much needed, and adding jump height to blue pills is a logical extension of that module as well as giving it a purpose. I love that we can now access more areas of the map, but the execution does feel lazy/sloppy. If I were master of the universe and had unlimited resources to make DUST how I wanted I would add the following things:

1. Vaulting/climbing so we can grab ledges and pull ourselves up, or climb over a railing. It wouldn't be parkour-like, more like a strong guy/girl pulling his very heavy suit over a ledge.

2. Jet packs. These would be equipment with high fitting costs and a suit bonused to use them (maybe the commando) like the cloak. A PRO jet pack could get you to the top of a tower. It would cause a massive increase in your signature, and you'd be lockable with swarms when it's active.

3. Grappling pin and magnetic boots. This piece of equipment would allow you to scale walls and even attach to horizontal or the underside of metallic vertical surfaces. You could hide on the ceiling like a bat and shoot people while upside down. This would be useful in 0G fights too for getting around (one day).

4. A real mass stat. Each suit would have a mass stat that would increase based on the modules fit. All of the movement stats would be derived from this: sprint speed, jump height, stamina use, even inertia for strafing, speed of ingress/egress from vehicles, etc. all of this would bring a sense of authenticity to the physics at play. If you double the force of a jump, you don't actually go twice as high (I'm pretty sure that's right). Mass would play a major factor in limiting jump height to believable levels. I don't care how many bath salts you sniff and how genetically modified your muscles are, jumping in a 300lbs suit is only going to get you but so far off the ground.

5. The ability for mercs to walk up small steps like curbs without having to jump. Something like 12 inches in height wouldn't require jumping.

So I'm not against the idea of adding verticality to gameplay, or to increasing jump heights with blue pills, but I just want things to feel somewhat plausible. Blue pills should increase the amount of vertical force when you jump, but that should be fed into an equation based on the mass of the current suit to derive a jump height that is inline with Newtonian physics. (note this can all be calculated when you fit the suit, so it shouldn't impact gameplay performance).

The current implementation just feels out-of-place, like if CCP Shanghai decided to add spell casting to DUST. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being though, and let them tweak the numbers/code until blue pills are behaving as intended.

Jump+massdriver - dragon fire.

Now it's game for 12 years children.
Shame, just shame.